London terrorist attack discussion - Page 2

Bonez · 07-07-2005, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ICEPICK

How about a little STFU ..........the G8 is in Scotland............

fine then the attacks are over london getting the olympics(as much sense as that makes)

and as far as information is concerned, there is no-one coming foreward claiming responsibility(except for that fake site saying it's alqueda europe)

and other then the G8 and the Olympics there is no other reason(well except for the identification cards)

so i would seriously like you to come up with a better explination instead of downplaying mine.

here we go
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659093.stm
"UK Prime Minister Tony Blair said it was "reasonably clear" there had been a series of terrorist attacks.

He said it was "particularly barbaric" that it was timed to coincide with the G8 summit. He is returning to London. "

and i suggest reading the "other developments"

Smurf · 07-07-2005, 04:21 PM

I hope are UK friends are ok and their friends are as well.

P.S. Let's learn from Bonez....

Bonez, these things don't happen within a day, they normally take at least a month.

ICEPICK · 07-07-2005, 04:30 PM

As per usual, a certain poster only reads/thinks in his own little world & talks with misinformation.

Now go back to your original statement

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Originally Posted by Bonez

how about a little ABC for you.

A, the G8 summit is happening in london
B, Bush is in london right now attending the G8 summit
C, The target of the "terrorists" has allways been the United States.

G8 in Scotland covers A & B

The target of the terrorists is any country siding with the US (plus USA)at this time.......

Now step away from the cpu & reboot your self & your cpu

Stryker412 · 07-07-2005, 04:36 PM

Actually isn't it more like any country that dirty's their holy land by setting foot on it?

Meltdown · 07-07-2005, 04:38 PM

Bonez, if you haven't studied extermist muslim then you wouldn't know this (and I doubt you have). They could care less if it was Bush or Kerry in office, it would have happened regardless. This is not a matter of "Bush and America is changing our way of life so we must stop them", the Quran states that only those who follow the way of Islam are capable, or of the right mindset to decide what is and is not acceptable, all others are infidels and are to be destroyed if they even think of stepping in and trying to help "govern" in order to protect the purity of the Islamic rule (fortunatly most rational Muslims realise those lines in the Quran are a crock). Thus western society are infidels, because the greatest determiners or world progress, advancements, etc. are groups like the EU, G8, UN, and the US they are thus going to attempt to strike at anytime which may disrupt and hopefully eventually bring down those nations. If it was because Bush was there than the attacks in Spain last year which occured just before the election would never have happened as Bush was no where near there. They are also now threatening to hit Italy and Denmark next, neither of which is a common destination for Bush.

Also you have to remember alot of these groups doing this are NOT Al'Qaeda. the group that hit Spain had actually nothing really to do with Al'Qaida prior to that point. The issue is they are extremists of whatever belief that are going to Al'Qaeda and saying "hey you give us money and the logistics, we'll do this stuff against the State, and use your name to get you more press" they actually are not related to them at all, kind of like when the old IRA (pre-bombing, and terrorist IRA) got help from France to help toss out England in the early 1900's. I wouldn't be surprised either if we found out who did the actual hits in London and it turned out to be IRA as there has been discussions and rumor of them working with Al'Qaeda, and they aren't even Muslim.

EDIT: And actually Spain has been far more the target of Muslim terrorists in the past century, due to their being kicked out by Queen Isabella in 1492, than America ever has.

*SW€D€* · 07-07-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker412

Actually isn't it more like any country that dirty's their holy land by setting foot on it?

They deserve to get dirty, the way they behave in the muslim countries.

Bonez · 07-07-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Meltdown

Also you have to remember alot of these groups doing this are NOT Al'Qaeda. the group that hit Spain had actually nothing really to do with Al'Qaida prior to that point. The issue is they are extremists of whatever belief that are going to Al'Qaeda and saying "hey you give us money and the logistics, we'll do this stuff against the State, and use your name to get you more press" they actually are not related to them at all, kind of like when the old IRA (pre-bombing, and terrorist IRA) got help from France to help toss out England in the early 1900's. I wouldn't be surprised either if we found out who did the actual hits in London and it turned out to be IRA as there has been discussions and rumor of them working with Al'Qaeda, and they aren't even Muslim.

EDIT: And actually Spain has been far more the target of Muslim terrorists in the past century, due to their being kicked out by Queen Isabella in 1492, than America ever has.

the IRA warns pre attack, and does so during low casulity hours, that and if they did it would completely distroy all the progress they were making with Britan over the years.

and right now, there is no proof of al'queda involvement(and it doesn't fit their tatics, and would defeat the purpose of martyrdom), this is a completely diffrent tatic, these are timed explosives not some guy strapped with detcord and C4, and are triditional gurella(mass distruction, minimal loss, target infrastructure and transportation.).

and swede, you since you keep spouting your military career should know that these are not suicide tatics, they are military in basis.

Meltdown · 07-07-2005, 05:28 PM

Actually if you read the news it is Al'Qaeda that is taking responsibility:

Secret Organization of Al Qaeda of Europe

is the ones taking responsibility for the attack, and no IRA does not warn and do it during low-casulty times. Tell that to the people that were killed in the bombing on the Parlimentary building in the mid-80's during midday traffic. Then there is the bombing they did on barracks also in the 80's. It wouldn't hurt the IRA one bit to work with them (well no more than their previous actions have hurt them), it would only hurt Sinn Feinn (which actually has about as much control of alot of the IRA operations as say the US gov't does over the wacko survivalists IMO). I am Irish, I still have family over there (my grandparents are actually Ulstermen, a fact I regret and despise and they donate money to Sinn Feinn every year), my past family were supporters of the IRA in the early 1900's (back before when they only struck military or diplomatic targets, in an effort to drive them out of Ireland), and one of my great-great uncles died in 1917 during the uprising. Trust me this is not beneath the IRA of today to have done, and I would not be shocked.

Edit: And Bonez I think most people's problem to your posts stem from the lack of sensitivity to the loss of innocent civilians in what would otherwise be considered a "safe haven" from such actions. It's like saying to the parents of a kid killed accidentally in a gang shooting just because he was talkign to one of the people in passing "he shouldn't have known him, sucks to be you". Also I find it odd how you lack such concern for your own safety, for all you know they could hit your very own town next and kill your parents. not probable, but it does show how it is possible. I would think that would at least register some feeling or disturbance. Remember, radicals could care less if you are conservative or liberal, you all die the same and help out on the journey to paradise to them.

Bonez · 07-07-2005, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Meltdown

Edit: And Bonez I think most people's problem to your posts stem from the lack of sensitivity to the loss of innocent civilians in what would otherwise be considered a "safe haven" from such actions. It's like saying to the parents of a kid killed accidentally in a gang shooting just because he was talkign to one of the people in passing "he shouldn't have known him, sucks to be you". Also I find it odd how you lack such concern for your own safety, for all you know they could hit your very own town next and kill your parents. not probable, but it does show how it is possible. I would think that would at least register some feeling or disturbance. Remember, radicals could care less if you are conservative or liberal, you all die the same and help out on the journey to paradise to them.

that's because i don't sit and stare because it "IS" happening, i'm busy trying to figure out "WHY" it's happening. people die, it's a fact of life. human beings have been killing each other since before the beginning of written word. their dead, their not coming back. sure i might be a little "jaded" when it comes to it, but in the end it doesn't matter.

people died, could it have been prevented, probally, was it prevented, no, then why not. after you get the things that matter out of the way, you lick your wounds and go back with a new determination to make up for the loss of people.

it's like watching a car accident, nobody really cares why it happend in the end, they only care that it did happen and that somebody or people got hurt.

(and as for other bombings,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/4165719.stm
IRA ended the ceasefire before they started back up agian.
more stuff on N. Ireland
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/t...nd/default.stm)

Meltdown · 07-07-2005, 06:03 PM

Why is it happening? There is nothing to figure out, they hate our way of life. These are not people you can talk to and come to some kind of agreement with. I mean the ONLY way it could have been prevented is if you actually gave up freedoms and ran a police state and I am sorry I'm not going for that. It's like Ben Franklin said (and which I have stated here before) "Those who give up their freedoms for any measure of security deserver neither freedom nor security". It is going to happen, and it is going to keep happening until one of two things happen:

1. The various terrorist organizations are totally prevented from operating and building resources in any country.

or

2. The various organizations are exterminated.

Neither is likely to happen in a complete fashion so all we can do is the best we can do. But again there is no reason anyone should wonder why, the only thing to wonder is how could it happen. Thing is it is impossible to prevent, if someone wants to kill someone else (or a tremendous amount of someone else's) they are going to find a way, it is just a matter of determination, and I'm not willing to give up my freedom's to live in a police state just so we can make it so they have to be even more determined and still pull off the same types of actions.