[*SW€D€*]

So I was thinking. Authoritys over here in Europe are warning poeple for traveling to Florida.
They are saying that Florida and it's people are inreliable due to a new weapon law passed just recently, which allowed people to carry a firearm in public, and if they feel threatend they are allowed to use this firearm, without any risk of prosecution.

So I happend to know that we have some ladies here who are living in in this state.

Your thoughts about htis

[Stryker412]

Uh oh Horse is packin heat!

[*SW€D€*]

You are definetly looking backwards in your society I must say. I have been thinking about during the day, and its almost as if you go back to the old western mentality.
Shoot first, ask later (if possible)

FUBAR if you ask me!

[ASH...HOUSEWARES]

the redneck mentality is taking over
btw do you have an article on this?

[GorroXXII]

Originally Posted by *SW€D€*

So I was thinking. Authoritys over here in Europe are warning poeple for traveling to Florida.
They are saying that Florida and it's people are inreliable due to a new weapon law passed just recently, which allowed people to carry a firearm in public, and if they feel threatend they are allowed to use this firearm, without any risk of prosecution.

So I happend to know that we have some ladies here who are living in in this state.

Your thoughts about htis

where the hell do you people come up with this crap??? Yeah they are allowing people to shoot others with no prosecution, if you believe that then... well.. you know...

EDIT: so Grannies are packin heat now, and it is ok for them to unload on someone else, yeah right, tell me another one...

[Bonez]

Originally Posted by GorroXXII

where the hell do you people come up with this crap??? Yeah they are allowing people to shoot others with no prosecution, if you believe that then... well.. you know...

EDIT: so Grannies are packin heat now, and it is ok for them to unload on someone else, yeah right, tell me another one...

shoot someone and claim self defence, but saner heads will prevail when they investigate it.

[*SW€D€*]

Originally Posted by ASH...HOUSEWARES

the redneck mentality is taking over
btw do you have an article on this?

Unfortuenly not. They went out with this on the televison-news. The authoritys in European Union are saying that it is dangerous for people to visit Florida, and there for are advising us not to go there.

And that is also where I got it from.

It is understandable that some of you want to defend this. But as I said before; here it considerd barbaric and a step back to the wild west.

Edit: I found this btw:

On October 1, 2005 a new Florida law came into effect.
Regrettably some anti-gun groups are engaging in a wide-reaching advertising campaign that would give the impression that Florida is no longer a safe tourist destination. This is not true.

Florida believes in the "castle doctrine" which actually dates back to the Middle Ages. The doctrine proposes that a person's home (castle) is a safe haven for him/herself and their family. In Florida, a person acting in self-defence outside of his/her home or workplace has a duty to use every reasonable means to avoid danger, including retreat, prior to using deadly force. In the event that an individual (the victim) chooses to defend him/herself and the attacker becomes injured or killed, the victim could be charged with assault or an even more serious crime.

The new Florida legislation creates a presumption, with certain exceptions, that a person having a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to him/herself or to another person, may use force, up to and including deadly force, in response if:

the person against whom the force was used (the attacker) was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, and
the person who uses defensive force (the victim) knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or an unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
The Florida law provides that a person, not themselves engaged in an unlawful activity, who is attacked in a place where they have the legal right to be (i.e. a dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle or public place) does not have an obligation to retreat and may meet force with matching comparable force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to him/herself or to another person or to prevent a forcible felony.

Once the incident has been investigated by the police, the Florida law provides immunity from criminal prosecution of, and civil action against, the victim who has used justifiable force in the defence of him/herself or another person. It does not provide immunity where excessive force was used or the victim was in fact lying in wait for his/her attacker.

Florida law defines "forcible felony", in which force may be used as including:



Aggravated assault
Aggravated battery
Aggravated stalking
Aircraft piracy
Arson
Burglary
Carjacking
Home-invasion robbery
Kidnapping

Manslaughter
Murder
Robbery
Sexual battery
Treason
Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb
Any other felony involving the use or threat of physical force or violence against any person.



Accordingly, snowbird travellers as well as other Florida residents should not be fearful of this new law which received full bi-party support in the Florida Legislature.
It is important to also note that Florida is not alone with this type of legislation. The majority of U.S. jurisdictions do not impose a duty to retreat before a person (the victim) may resort to deadly force if threatened with death or great bodily harm.

Was taken from this page: http://www.snowbirds.org/html/gunlaw.html

This page has nothing to do with us Europeans, but is more to show you the law itself.

[ICEPICK]

I highly doubt that Euros have anything to fear from here except the local criminal element..... If you guys would stop looking down your noses at us & look straight ahead maybe you would see the world as it really is...........

[Horsepower]

Originally Posted by *SW€D€*

The authoritys in European Union are saying that it is dangerous for people to visit Florida.

this is not an insult to you Swede, but you come here and frequently ask us about things in the US. that's cool, i have no problem with that. i like it. but now i have a question for you. is the EU full of a bunch of pussies or what? always whining and complaining about something some state does or something the U.S. does in general. usually it's by people who are uninformed about the topic being discussed or they are just plain ignorant about Americans in general.

though i don't agree totally with the law, the intent of this new law boils down to this: instead of running away from some jerkoff who intends to rob you or do you bodily harm while you're outside your home, basically you are allowed to defend yourself without running away. it's extending a long time law which allows you to defend the inside of your home, your property and occupants from burglary or worse without having to back down and try and get away. before this new law was enacted, you had to do everything in your power to get away from the criminal before using lethal force. IE: you had to run away from your attacker.

a bit of fear mongering going on perhaps? those ignorant EU authorities you quoted make this sound like it's something new but they failed to mention something important. for a long time we've been allowed to carry concealed weapons here(in this State), but there is an extensive FBI fingerprint and backround check and gun safety/training classes given by Federal Firearms License holders required before you're allowed to carry. how does this new law make you more unsafe in Florida now than before? it doesn't, unless of course you intend to come here and rob someone.

Americans have a Constitutional right to have firearms. i think that is something which many Europeans don't understand. is it right or wrong for ordinary citizens to have guns? consider that the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights of our Constitution is not about sport, games, or hunting --it's about controlling the deadly use of force by our government on it's citizens, and it's about controlling our goverment should it become despot and tyrannical. maybe that might help make sense for those who do not understand why we have guns. go ahead and form your own opinion on it. sorry, but the world's opinion on our 2nd Amendment is irrelevant to me.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
-Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

[*SW€D€*]

Hey don't shoot the messenger.

Sure I am European. And by that also what's included. One of those things included in being European is to believe that your 2nd Amendment is a right that the avarage Joe shouldn't have.
Why?
Well I don't think I have to remember who has the highest amount of violent crimes related to firearms in the westen world?
Is this a coincidense? America has in European eyes, lame weapon laws. Over here, it is only Police, Military and speciell educated hunters that are allowed to have weapons.
The avarage Joe can forgett all about getting a "piece" for him self.

I ask again. Is this a coincidence that America has the highest amounts of violent crimes related to firearms in the whole western world?
Don't you think that this is a result of your 2nd Amendment???
You don't have to have a college digree to figure that one out. To have liberal weapon laws, is by no means, what so ever a good thing.

End of rant.