[cwv_Morph55]

Well me and my clan mates like to play in your server and we have never had any problems with admins before until today.

First off I was defending Sharqi TV station with my friend cwv_8t88 and I had claymores set at bottom of stairs and at top of ladder. This Major named {USI}_DirTyDeeDs comes in and plants claymores a couple feet from mine as to steal my kills I tell him to remove them he gives me some smart remark and I Tk him. The same second his friend Lil_Raptor Tks me. Then I proceed in telling Deeds not to place claymores where mine are. Now 11Bravo3 is telling me if I tk again I will be kicked. So me and deeds are sitting there talking...arguing and then Bravo says if I dont stop spamming I will be kicked. I dont know what his definition of spamming is but as soon as I said one more thing to Deeds I was kicked, even though Deeds was talking just as much to me.

I get back into the server and Bravo is telling deeds that he took care of me and to be quiet. So I asked why I was kicked and I get no answer. So I proceed in defending TV station on the first flight of stairs and I have Lil_raptor and Deeds jumping all over me and my friend pushing us down the stairs throwing ammo packs all over the ground, and sitting in front of us looking at us, in other words "Griefing" they were making it impossible for us to play and I couldn't do anything so I kept telling them to stop and tried telling Bravo what was going on and the only thing Bravo would say to me was to stop spamming. I don't understand how he thinks I was spamming, If you can check the server logs you will most definitely see that I was not spamming and just "talking" trying to get Bravo to understand and trying to get the guys to stop Griefing us. So after about 3 messages to Bravo and he only telling me to stop spamming and about 5 minutes of Raptor and Deeds griefing us i finnaly tk raptor and then Bravo bans me.

So I was griefed, tried to take justice into my own hands because Admin wouldnt help and I get kicked then banned.

I feel he should lose his Admin rights because think of all the other people he has probably done this too, not very good representation of the clan if you ask me.

-Morph

[11 Bravo 3]

However, yes he did put claymores in front of yours and that is not a reason to TK him.

Both of you were slamming each other in the chat. Then when I asked you to stop and just play the game, you started on me with the chat spamming.
Unfortunately you were the one who Tked him. You shouldn't have. {USI}_DirTyDeeDs was warned too. You both were also using bad language. When I asked both of you stop, you continued to keep constantly chatting and wouldn't stop,{USI}_DirTyDeeDs stopped. You continued, that's when you were kicked. When you came back in you did ask why you were kicked and I did reply to you. But you didn't see that because you started chat spamming again and continued to fight with {USI}_DirTyDeeDs. Then I said if you didn't quit with the spamming and just play, you would be banned. You did not stop. You then Tked Lil_Raptor.
Then you were banned for 24 hours.
The reason why it was you and not {USI}_DirTyDeeDs or Lil_Raptor is because you were the Tker not them.

[-=TANK=-]

Morph.. I have seen you and your clan mates in our server many times.. as the USI guys.. if anything I would hope that you guys have learned that we are pretty fair on our actions as admins.. and also you should know that tking anyone for any other reason than an accident is unacceptable.. Bravo is a very fair admin.. and did handle the situation correctly.. I hope that you and your friends do realize this and DON'T take matters into your own hands as you put it. Tking is not the answer..

[cwv_Morph55]

Yes we used to play on your server a lot more often but I believe we stopped because we started playing Armoured Fury. Nowadays we are playing AF or on Men of God most of the time.

I hope that you and your friends do realize this and DON'T take matters into your own hands as you put it. Tking is not the answer..

I was in the wrong by team killing the guy for the claymore deal and I did recieve a fair warning on that but as I stated -

so I kept telling them to stop and tried telling Bravo what was going on and the only thing Bravo would say to me was to stop spamming

So I was griefed, tried to take justice into my own hands because Admin wouldnt help

I did try to get an admin to help again and again before I took matters into my own hands.

Bravo still seems to think I was spamming, either way we will not be returning due to you guys allowing people to grief others to get them kicked in your server. This is not a new concept, it may be to you guys but it has been around as long as FPS has.

-Morph

Spam-
To post irrelevant or inappropriate messages to
one or more Usenet newsgroups, mailing lists, or other
messaging system in deliberate or accidental violation of
netiquette.

To send the same message multiple times to the same people.
(In this case I only had a few lines of chat to Deeds and Bravo, last I checked the chat system in BF2 is there to communicate to others in the server, Is that against the rules to talk to others? If so then put it in your server message or somewhere noticable so that others dont type messages in your server anymore.)


Griefing-
Purposely getting in the way of others, stopping others from being able to play the game, provoking someone to teamkill you, annoying others in hopes of them leaving the server or doing something to get themselves kicked. (In this case me and 8t88 were being pushed down the stairs, Raptor and Deeds both jumped on us pushed us, and sat in front of us aiming at us so that we could not see down the stairs. They did this for over five minutes all the while I asked them to stop and Bravo kept telling me to stop spamming, and I asked bravo to kick them he told me to stop spamming so I killed raptor and got banned.)

Bleeding- Shooting your teammates to low health and not killing them. (Lil_raptor did this to 8t88)

[-=TANK=-]

I totally understand your point.. but then as in this situation.. the fact that you tked him.. would have made me react to your situation as Bravo did.. That is not the right way to get an admins attention.. then you did it a second time? I mean what would you have done in an admins shoes.. Personally I try not to kick regulars on our server.. unless they deserve it.. but tking someone just because they made you mad? do you really think that made Bravo listen to your story more..?

no, trying to communicate with an admin isnt spamming.. but arguing with another player is.. You knew there was an admin on.. talk directly to him.. if you feel like an issue isnt be handled properly.. jump on our teamspeak server.. talk to an admin.. generally the admin in game is on teamspeak.. talking to an admin on teamspeak would be a much easier way to explain yourself.. especially since chat can fly by fast.. and say the admin didnt see all of what you say.. just a few suggestions..

[cwv_Morph55]

Kicking someone is not taken lightly with me, I have run servers for for over 5 years on 3 other games and I always take into account everything that is going on before I kick someone. You must understand the reasons for someone doing something before you react on it, acting rashly against one person because you "see" them do something is in no manner Just. You must know what happened before what you saw happen before you act on it. Again as stated, we were being griefed and team damaged for over five minutes all the while trying to get an admin to notice what was happening before I finnaly killed raptor.

I once banned a guy from my server because he came in and tked a fellow clanmate of mine 3 times in a row for no apparent reason. Clan mate says he did nothing, the next day I checked the server logs, it turns out my clan mate had abused admin powers and kept hurting/killing/throwing the guy around on the server the day before and when the guy I banned asked my clanmate to stop abusing his admin rights my clan mate kicked him from the server. At this point I kicked the guy out of our clan not only for lying to a senior member but for harassing a public player and misrepresenting our clan. The guy I banned then posted on about 4-5 different forums about how "sh**ty" our clan members and and server are all because I acted rashly.
If you kick the "wrong" person it may backfire on you, just a warning FFR, make sure you get the story straight before you kick someone.

Over and Out-
Morph

[11 Bravo 3]

Morph I understand what you are saying. But I was not at the TV station. What I saw was all the chat between you and Dirtydeeds. You were complaining to him and then you Tked. At this point you did not get kicked. When you kept saying it was his fault and would not just let it go and play the game, that is when you got kicked. When you returned to the game, you went right back to the same area as the same guys and started again. Then you Tked again. Who was being the problem ? All I could see from reading all the chat was you complaining about them and killing them. It is not against the rules to use the chat, but when you continually send the same messages to the player you are mad at, I consider that spamming ( continually sending the same message = spam). Maybe using the term spamming is not exactly correct, but it's close.

After I asked for it all to stop, from what I could see they did. You did not. To me it seemed you were the problem. Did I see them inside the TV station, no. At no point did I see them TK. Your clanmate was not complaining, just you. After you were banned all your clanmate said was I don't think it was all his fault. I agree with that, it was not all your fault, BUT you were the only one TKing. That is what made me ban you for 24hrs.
If you have run servers like you say, you should know most of the time you kick someone they will come back in and play normal. When you came back you just continued where you left off.
Banning people from the server is not a common practice for me at all, kicking rule breakers is.

[Horsepower]

Everyone thinks an admin should see EVERYTHING before making a decision on kicking and banning. Heh. You say you have admined other servers for 5 years. If that's true then you would know that you make the best decision based on the information onhand because you the admin CANNOT see everything. What he did see is you tking, one time earning a kick, the other time earned the ban. IMO the second time you came back and did the same damn thing would have earned you a permanent ban had I been the admin. Our server rules specifically state that we don't allow intentional tking of ANY kind. I don't care who did or said what to earn the tk. We don't allow it here period. If an admin sees it, expect to be kicked or banned regardless of why you did it.

Originally Posted by cwv_Morph55

I feel he should lose his Admin rights because think of all the other people he has probably done this too, not very good representation of the clan if you ask me.

Ain't gonna happen. Bravo is one of the easiest guys to get along with and is very lenient and fair.

Originally Posted by cwv_Morph55

Kicking someone is not taken lightly with me, I have run servers for for over 5 years on 3 other games and I always take into account everything that is going on before I kick someone.

Why is some who claims to have admin experience tking players on servers? I understand how it would be aggravating when someone place stuff in front of yours, but I don't think that you missing out on easy kills with the Claymore is good cause for tking.